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Pence's Trump Defense Won't Resonate With Women

by Alexandra Spychalsky

When the debate dust clears and all the pundits have gone home, preparation for the next gauntlet begins. It's the morning-after spin. Donald Trump's running mate, Gov. Mike Pence, made the morning show rounds on Tuesday, defending the Republican nominee's less-than-impressive performance (some wonder if it went so badly that he'll skip out on future debates, Politico reported). On ABC's Good Morning America, Pence said that Trump did a fantastic job during the debate, and talked a lot about how he supposedly projected his leadership capabilities. “They see in Trump the kind of leadership and kind of candor we need to turn this country around,” Pence said. Later, he added that Trump "took command of the stage, and I think the American people saw his leadership qualities"

But if by "taking command," Pence was referring to the multiple times Trump interrupted and spoke over Hillary Clinton, then I’m not quite sure how he can equate that with great leadership skills. These actions made Trump look as much like a successful leader as interrupting moderator Lester Holt repeatedly to tell him how great his presidential temperament is made him look self-aware.

Vox reported that Trump interrupted Clinton 51 times throughout the debate, 25 of those interruptions coming in the first 26 minutes.

This debate was always going to be observed through a different lens because of the inescapable gender narrative. Put a man who has made misogynistic and crass comments about women for decades on stage next to a woman who has championed equality and women’s rights her whole career, and it’s obvious the sparks will fly.

It's common knowledge that women are often not treated equally in the workplace. Women are frequently interrupted at work. (A Brigham Young University / Princeton University study found that men speak 75 percent of the time at mixed tables of conversation). We even have had reason to create this fun word “mansplaining” because of the frequency at which men feel the need to explain things to us with no regard for our actual level of knowledge on such topics — much like a businessman of questionable success explaining to a former secretary of state anything dealing with foreign policy. Many business publications will also note that interrupting is a sign of a bad leader, and that effective leaders need to be respectful of others, accountable and communicate clearly. None of which was exhibited by Trump on Monday night

But why didn't Clinton interrupt back? Didn’t she let down young girls everywhere by not showing them how to stand up to domineering men? Hardly. Clinton knew that letting him speak would do more damage than any disparaging remarks she could make.